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	<title>Comments on: What next for Open Government Data?</title>
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	<description>Thinking About The Future, Not Just Predicting It</description>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 15:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spot on Will, evidence is always the best persuader.  How difficult have you found it to engage in Kings Cross to get the local authorities to understand and buy in to what you&#039;ve been doing? Anything (further) we could learn from your experience engaging the local authorities to &quot;operationalise&quot; examples that have been created?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot on Will, evidence is always the best persuader.  How difficult have you found it to engage in Kings Cross to get the local authorities to understand and buy in to what you&#8217;ve been doing? Anything (further) we could learn from your experience engaging the local authorities to &#8220;operationalise&#8221; examples that have been created?</p>
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		<title>By: william perrin</title>
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		<dc:creator>william perrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 14:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is handy but still too focussed on the supply side (of data)

your first point about examples needs to go further - show real world cahnge as a result of using open data, not just examples of how it is used.  this can mean getting out of the geek comfort zone and getting stuck into local real world activism.

in kings cross i have done two posts using the london data store 

http://www.kingscrossenvironment.com/2010/01/violent-crime-trends-ambulance-call-outs-for-assault-in-islington.html

and

http://www.kingscrossenvironment.com/2010/01/arson-incidents-in-islington-1.html

these are both necessary but not sufficient to drive local action - i need to operationalise both and get local public services to respond.  when this comes to fruition and changes things on the ground then we have something to talk seriously about with policy makers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is handy but still too focussed on the supply side (of data)</p>
<p>your first point about examples needs to go further &#8211; show real world cahnge as a result of using open data, not just examples of how it is used.  this can mean getting out of the geek comfort zone and getting stuck into local real world activism.</p>
<p>in kings cross i have done two posts using the london data store </p>
<p><a href="http://www.kingscrossenvironment.com/2010/01/violent-crime-trends-ambulance-call-outs-for-assault-in-islington.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.kingscrossenvironment.com/2010/01/violent-crime-trends-ambulance-call-outs-for-assault-in-islington.html</a></p>
<p>and</p>
<p><a href="http://www.kingscrossenvironment.com/2010/01/arson-incidents-in-islington-1.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.kingscrossenvironment.com/2010/01/arson-incidents-in-islington-1.html</a></p>
<p>these are both necessary but not sufficient to drive local action &#8211; i need to operationalise both and get local public services to respond.  when this comes to fruition and changes things on the ground then we have something to talk seriously about with policy makers.</p>
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